In this interview, Denver Mayor John Hickenlooper and Amory Lovins discuss energy policy. Topics discussed include walkable cities, how to drill for efficiency, and what governments can do to accelerate clean energy. The importance and opportunity of legislation on a local level are emphasized. Domestic drilling, funding sources for clean energy, putting a price on carbon and motivating change are other topics discussed. Amory concludes by describing the security issues related to our electric grid, and the necessary steps to build a more reliable and localized energy infrastructure.